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Jessica Martinez's avatar

I'm going to be thinking about this quote all day: "It is idealizing the point in a woman's life when she is less experienced, less wise, less competent, less powerful."

P.S. Would anyone be interested in starting an Unpublishable book club in January? 👀

Jessica DeFino's avatar

Oooh this is definitely something I've thought about starting up before! I wonder how many readers would be interested...

Heidi's avatar

Yes yes yes- as a 45 year old woman I feel this so deeply.

Megan Moriarty's avatar

Me!

Chloe Hope's avatar

🙋🏻‍♀️

Rebecca Williams's avatar

Hell yes!

Kimberly Lo's avatar

I am very interested!

feliciya's avatar

I'm interested as well!

L.'s avatar

I am also interested

Manders's avatar

Definitely interested!

Megan Moriarty's avatar

"The value that we place on people according to their bodies is reflecting and reinforcing standards of inequality and discrimination." 👏👏

Jessica DeFino's avatar

Yesss one of my favorite quotes from the interview!

Heidi's avatar

Shametenanace and make up. That’s a very interesting thing to ponder. How much of my make up is for me, fun, self expression vs shame and compliance? Bright unnatural red lips? Fun. Tinted moisturizer to cover discoloration? Def shame. Eye brow pencil. Shame. My lips but better lipsticks? Shame.

Jessica DeFino's avatar

Such a good exercise to go through w/ your entire beauty routine!

Anna's avatar

Yes, so much is shame and compliance for me too. And the “my lips but better” marketing especially bugs me. My lips are fine without a tint!

Diana's avatar

I love Clare Chambers book and would be interested in the book club idea. She is a brilliant thinker around this stuff (as are you, Jessica!). First time I heard body shame and self-hatred being called a public health problem. I love... "When everybody feels bad about their bodies, it's not the bodies that are the problem. It's something else.” BTW-- I'm in the older demographic (56) and would love more on anti-aging bullshit, if you choose to write on that sometimes, Jessica.

Jessica DeFino's avatar

Thank you! Anti-aging is always a favorite topic, there will definitely be more to come!

ElizabethRoseG's avatar

“We're talking about a set of commercial and social norms with entrenched power structures that have been socialized into us for generations.”

Yes! The generational component of this feels bone deep as I struggle with why I have participated in many of these body modifications. Thank you for such brilliant work Jessica, and for introducing us to new authors, books, concepts and ways of thinking. This is truly life-changing ❤️

Jessica DeFino's avatar

I'm so so glad Chambers' work resonated with you! It's life-changing for sure.

Heidi's avatar

We embark on skincare without ever analyzing WHY. When I really asked myself why I started a skincare regimen in my 30’s... I honestly had no compelling reasons that mattered to me. The fact that I just embraced a skincare routine as something I had to do, like drinking water or having 3 meals a day is some serious societal behavior mod.

Neen's avatar

"The fact that we want to have a body that is a certain way, and the fact that we associate a body that doesn't fit into that model as being something shameful, and the fact that there exists a procedure available to change the body — those are all socially created facts. They don't come from our own internal autonomy. ... This is to say, Why do they become procedures we want to choose? And none of that is down to individual autonomy." YES EXACTLY

Jessica DeFino's avatar

I knowwww hearing this quote from her felt so so validating

Amy Wall | The Skintessa's avatar

A beautiful read. Body modification is not beauty.

Jessica DeFino's avatar

Thank you! Agreed.

Amy Alpert's avatar

I love everything about this article (as usual as I a love everything in Unpublishable). I am particularly intrigued by the idea of creating a consciousness raising groups. Any thoughts on how to start one of those?

Amy Wall | The Skintessa's avatar

I've been nurturing a beauty consciousness raising group for years! We're out there! ✨

Amy Alpert's avatar

That is amazing! If you don't mind sharing. How do you organize it? It is in person? Once a month? Is it organized like a bookclub. What a brilliant idea. You are so ahed of the game!

Amy Wall | The Skintessa's avatar

It's organized several different ways, but the main way is a monthly meeting where we meet and do our skin together on zoom, and I share beauty frequencies and teach on subjects of self-image, energy and skin physiology/psychology. I agree that I have been ahead of the game as I started developing a relationship to beauty consciousness when I was 12 ( 1987) In the meantime, I became an award-winning Esthetician ( best in usa 2016) and fell asleep for a good part of my forties...even partaking of body modifications like Botox, until I finally remembered who I was and what I was here to do, about 7 years ago. I see the world of beauty changing though and Jessica is doing immense work in shedding the light on the toxic, distorted ways we are sold the notion that something is wrong with us.

Lisa Ditalia's avatar

Yes to the book club!

liz bentley's avatar

hi jessica! you’re the first substack i’ve paid to subscribe to and I wanted to ask--is it okay to share a screenshot of a quote from one of your pieces that’s for subscribers only? I totally understand if not, just wanted to check. :)

Jessica DeFino's avatar

Yes, totally fine! Thank you for asking ❤️ and subscribing!! That means so much to me :)

Imogen Church's avatar

This is such an exciting article, I ordered the book immediately!

Jessica DeFino's avatar

You're gonna love it! There are some parts that I don't 100% agree with (for instance, in the section on "natural" beauty, she defines "nature" as being separate from humans which feels colonial and inaccurate to me personally, so a lot of the conclusions drawn in that section don't really align with my own research & believes) but overall, her philosophy is SO necessary

Lisa Ditalia's avatar

have you heard this Jax song Victoria Secret. It reminds me of this group.

Catt Berlin's avatar

Yes. Let's do it a book club!

Lee Tilghman's avatar

Cant wait to read this!

Dinner Party Topics's avatar

I know I'm late to the party but I'd love to join a book club like this!